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[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\"." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing..." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now....." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story", ">\n\nWe just saw it over pineville, nc. Several jets flying around the area as well. It was headed southwest." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story", ">\n\nWe just saw it over pineville, nc. Several jets flying around the area as well. It was headed southwest.", ">\n\nThey just shot it down over South Carolina. My mother in law said it was really loud" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story", ">\n\nWe just saw it over pineville, nc. Several jets flying around the area as well. It was headed southwest.", ">\n\nThey just shot it down over South Carolina. My mother in law said it was really loud", ">\n\nA friend of mine has posted a few snaps of a “balloon” being shot down over myrtle beach…" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story", ">\n\nWe just saw it over pineville, nc. Several jets flying around the area as well. It was headed southwest.", ">\n\nThey just shot it down over South Carolina. My mother in law said it was really loud", ">\n\nA friend of mine has posted a few snaps of a “balloon” being shot down over myrtle beach…", ">\n\nI thought it was a croque monsieur incident." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story", ">\n\nWe just saw it over pineville, nc. Several jets flying around the area as well. It was headed southwest.", ">\n\nThey just shot it down over South Carolina. My mother in law said it was really loud", ">\n\nA friend of mine has posted a few snaps of a “balloon” being shot down over myrtle beach…", ">\n\nI thought it was a croque monsieur incident.", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said in a statement.\n\nTaiwan will be happy to hear of this new position." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story", ">\n\nWe just saw it over pineville, nc. Several jets flying around the area as well. It was headed southwest.", ">\n\nThey just shot it down over South Carolina. My mother in law said it was really loud", ">\n\nA friend of mine has posted a few snaps of a “balloon” being shot down over myrtle beach…", ">\n\nI thought it was a croque monsieur incident.", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said in a statement.\n\nTaiwan will be happy to hear of this new position.", ">\n\nForce majeure usually comes with notifying the country first, so nah." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story", ">\n\nWe just saw it over pineville, nc. Several jets flying around the area as well. It was headed southwest.", ">\n\nThey just shot it down over South Carolina. My mother in law said it was really loud", ">\n\nA friend of mine has posted a few snaps of a “balloon” being shot down over myrtle beach…", ">\n\nI thought it was a croque monsieur incident.", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said in a statement.\n\nTaiwan will be happy to hear of this new position.", ">\n\nForce majeure usually comes with notifying the country first, so nah.", ">\n\nIf you legit don’t think this is a spy device you are a kook." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story", ">\n\nWe just saw it over pineville, nc. Several jets flying around the area as well. It was headed southwest.", ">\n\nThey just shot it down over South Carolina. My mother in law said it was really loud", ">\n\nA friend of mine has posted a few snaps of a “balloon” being shot down over myrtle beach…", ">\n\nI thought it was a croque monsieur incident.", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said in a statement.\n\nTaiwan will be happy to hear of this new position.", ">\n\nForce majeure usually comes with notifying the country first, so nah.", ">\n\nIf you legit don’t think this is a spy device you are a kook.", ">\n\nA farce manure? Yeah, sounds about right." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story", ">\n\nWe just saw it over pineville, nc. Several jets flying around the area as well. It was headed southwest.", ">\n\nThey just shot it down over South Carolina. My mother in law said it was really loud", ">\n\nA friend of mine has posted a few snaps of a “balloon” being shot down over myrtle beach…", ">\n\nI thought it was a croque monsieur incident.", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said in a statement.\n\nTaiwan will be happy to hear of this new position.", ">\n\nForce majeure usually comes with notifying the country first, so nah.", ">\n\nIf you legit don’t think this is a spy device you are a kook.", ">\n\nA farce manure? Yeah, sounds about right.", ">\n\nMaybe we haven’t damaged it because we hacked it and are watching what it attempts to analyze. We see you, too." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story", ">\n\nWe just saw it over pineville, nc. Several jets flying around the area as well. It was headed southwest.", ">\n\nThey just shot it down over South Carolina. My mother in law said it was really loud", ">\n\nA friend of mine has posted a few snaps of a “balloon” being shot down over myrtle beach…", ">\n\nI thought it was a croque monsieur incident.", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said in a statement.\n\nTaiwan will be happy to hear of this new position.", ">\n\nForce majeure usually comes with notifying the country first, so nah.", ">\n\nIf you legit don’t think this is a spy device you are a kook.", ">\n\nA farce manure? Yeah, sounds about right.", ">\n\nMaybe we haven’t damaged it because we hacked it and are watching what it attempts to analyze. We see you, too.", ">\n\nOver the state where nuclear war heads are stored? A bit sus..." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story", ">\n\nWe just saw it over pineville, nc. Several jets flying around the area as well. It was headed southwest.", ">\n\nThey just shot it down over South Carolina. My mother in law said it was really loud", ">\n\nA friend of mine has posted a few snaps of a “balloon” being shot down over myrtle beach…", ">\n\nI thought it was a croque monsieur incident.", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said in a statement.\n\nTaiwan will be happy to hear of this new position.", ">\n\nForce majeure usually comes with notifying the country first, so nah.", ">\n\nIf you legit don’t think this is a spy device you are a kook.", ">\n\nA farce manure? Yeah, sounds about right.", ">\n\nMaybe we haven’t damaged it because we hacked it and are watching what it attempts to analyze. We see you, too.", ">\n\nOver the state where nuclear war heads are stored? A bit sus...", ">\n\nNever trust what China says. Whatever they say, it’s most likely the opposite. Maybe once in a while what they say is true but they’re just way too untrustworthy. Trusting anything they say is like trusting your cheating ex that this time they’re different." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story", ">\n\nWe just saw it over pineville, nc. Several jets flying around the area as well. It was headed southwest.", ">\n\nThey just shot it down over South Carolina. My mother in law said it was really loud", ">\n\nA friend of mine has posted a few snaps of a “balloon” being shot down over myrtle beach…", ">\n\nI thought it was a croque monsieur incident.", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said in a statement.\n\nTaiwan will be happy to hear of this new position.", ">\n\nForce majeure usually comes with notifying the country first, so nah.", ">\n\nIf you legit don’t think this is a spy device you are a kook.", ">\n\nA farce manure? Yeah, sounds about right.", ">\n\nMaybe we haven’t damaged it because we hacked it and are watching what it attempts to analyze. We see you, too.", ">\n\nOver the state where nuclear war heads are stored? A bit sus...", ">\n\nNever trust what China says. Whatever they say, it’s most likely the opposite. Maybe once in a while what they say is true but they’re just way too untrustworthy. Trusting anything they say is like trusting your cheating ex that this time they’re different.", ">\n\nSo it’s not a weather balloon \nIt wasn’t NOT intentional \nAnd they aren’t sorry about it.\nThanks, mate. I think I understand Chinese now." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story", ">\n\nWe just saw it over pineville, nc. Several jets flying around the area as well. It was headed southwest.", ">\n\nThey just shot it down over South Carolina. My mother in law said it was really loud", ">\n\nA friend of mine has posted a few snaps of a “balloon” being shot down over myrtle beach…", ">\n\nI thought it was a croque monsieur incident.", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said in a statement.\n\nTaiwan will be happy to hear of this new position.", ">\n\nForce majeure usually comes with notifying the country first, so nah.", ">\n\nIf you legit don’t think this is a spy device you are a kook.", ">\n\nA farce manure? Yeah, sounds about right.", ">\n\nMaybe we haven’t damaged it because we hacked it and are watching what it attempts to analyze. We see you, too.", ">\n\nOver the state where nuclear war heads are stored? A bit sus...", ">\n\nNever trust what China says. Whatever they say, it’s most likely the opposite. Maybe once in a while what they say is true but they’re just way too untrustworthy. Trusting anything they say is like trusting your cheating ex that this time they’re different.", ">\n\nSo it’s not a weather balloon \nIt wasn’t NOT intentional \nAnd they aren’t sorry about it.\nThanks, mate. I think I understand Chinese now.", ">\n\nYeah accident, right over MOTSU and Fort Bragg... If you don't know what MOTSU is google it. Biggest weapons depot port the military has." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story", ">\n\nWe just saw it over pineville, nc. Several jets flying around the area as well. It was headed southwest.", ">\n\nThey just shot it down over South Carolina. My mother in law said it was really loud", ">\n\nA friend of mine has posted a few snaps of a “balloon” being shot down over myrtle beach…", ">\n\nI thought it was a croque monsieur incident.", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said in a statement.\n\nTaiwan will be happy to hear of this new position.", ">\n\nForce majeure usually comes with notifying the country first, so nah.", ">\n\nIf you legit don’t think this is a spy device you are a kook.", ">\n\nA farce manure? Yeah, sounds about right.", ">\n\nMaybe we haven’t damaged it because we hacked it and are watching what it attempts to analyze. We see you, too.", ">\n\nOver the state where nuclear war heads are stored? A bit sus...", ">\n\nNever trust what China says. Whatever they say, it’s most likely the opposite. Maybe once in a while what they say is true but they’re just way too untrustworthy. Trusting anything they say is like trusting your cheating ex that this time they’re different.", ">\n\nSo it’s not a weather balloon \nIt wasn’t NOT intentional \nAnd they aren’t sorry about it.\nThanks, mate. I think I understand Chinese now.", ">\n\nYeah accident, right over MOTSU and Fort Bragg... If you don't know what MOTSU is google it. Biggest weapons depot port the military has.", ">\n\nAh yes, two things their satellites never see!" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story", ">\n\nWe just saw it over pineville, nc. Several jets flying around the area as well. It was headed southwest.", ">\n\nThey just shot it down over South Carolina. My mother in law said it was really loud", ">\n\nA friend of mine has posted a few snaps of a “balloon” being shot down over myrtle beach…", ">\n\nI thought it was a croque monsieur incident.", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said in a statement.\n\nTaiwan will be happy to hear of this new position.", ">\n\nForce majeure usually comes with notifying the country first, so nah.", ">\n\nIf you legit don’t think this is a spy device you are a kook.", ">\n\nA farce manure? Yeah, sounds about right.", ">\n\nMaybe we haven’t damaged it because we hacked it and are watching what it attempts to analyze. We see you, too.", ">\n\nOver the state where nuclear war heads are stored? A bit sus...", ">\n\nNever trust what China says. Whatever they say, it’s most likely the opposite. Maybe once in a while what they say is true but they’re just way too untrustworthy. Trusting anything they say is like trusting your cheating ex that this time they’re different.", ">\n\nSo it’s not a weather balloon \nIt wasn’t NOT intentional \nAnd they aren’t sorry about it.\nThanks, mate. I think I understand Chinese now.", ">\n\nYeah accident, right over MOTSU and Fort Bragg... If you don't know what MOTSU is google it. Biggest weapons depot port the military has.", ">\n\nAh yes, two things their satellites never see!", ">\n\nSure their sats see it, but I find it rather strange that their accidental course flew over both the army's biggest base and their biggest weapons depot. I live directly next MOTSU, fighter jets were scarmbled all over the place which is not usual. Obviously the military was on high alert." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story", ">\n\nWe just saw it over pineville, nc. Several jets flying around the area as well. It was headed southwest.", ">\n\nThey just shot it down over South Carolina. My mother in law said it was really loud", ">\n\nA friend of mine has posted a few snaps of a “balloon” being shot down over myrtle beach…", ">\n\nI thought it was a croque monsieur incident.", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said in a statement.\n\nTaiwan will be happy to hear of this new position.", ">\n\nForce majeure usually comes with notifying the country first, so nah.", ">\n\nIf you legit don’t think this is a spy device you are a kook.", ">\n\nA farce manure? Yeah, sounds about right.", ">\n\nMaybe we haven’t damaged it because we hacked it and are watching what it attempts to analyze. We see you, too.", ">\n\nOver the state where nuclear war heads are stored? A bit sus...", ">\n\nNever trust what China says. Whatever they say, it’s most likely the opposite. Maybe once in a while what they say is true but they’re just way too untrustworthy. Trusting anything they say is like trusting your cheating ex that this time they’re different.", ">\n\nSo it’s not a weather balloon \nIt wasn’t NOT intentional \nAnd they aren’t sorry about it.\nThanks, mate. I think I understand Chinese now.", ">\n\nYeah accident, right over MOTSU and Fort Bragg... If you don't know what MOTSU is google it. Biggest weapons depot port the military has.", ">\n\nAh yes, two things their satellites never see!", ">\n\nSure their sats see it, but I find it rather strange that their accidental course flew over both the army's biggest base and their biggest weapons depot. I live directly next MOTSU, fighter jets were scarmbled all over the place which is not usual. Obviously the military was on high alert.", ">\n\nMilitary has been on high alert before it even hit us airspace." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story", ">\n\nWe just saw it over pineville, nc. Several jets flying around the area as well. It was headed southwest.", ">\n\nThey just shot it down over South Carolina. My mother in law said it was really loud", ">\n\nA friend of mine has posted a few snaps of a “balloon” being shot down over myrtle beach…", ">\n\nI thought it was a croque monsieur incident.", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said in a statement.\n\nTaiwan will be happy to hear of this new position.", ">\n\nForce majeure usually comes with notifying the country first, so nah.", ">\n\nIf you legit don’t think this is a spy device you are a kook.", ">\n\nA farce manure? Yeah, sounds about right.", ">\n\nMaybe we haven’t damaged it because we hacked it and are watching what it attempts to analyze. We see you, too.", ">\n\nOver the state where nuclear war heads are stored? A bit sus...", ">\n\nNever trust what China says. Whatever they say, it’s most likely the opposite. Maybe once in a while what they say is true but they’re just way too untrustworthy. Trusting anything they say is like trusting your cheating ex that this time they’re different.", ">\n\nSo it’s not a weather balloon \nIt wasn’t NOT intentional \nAnd they aren’t sorry about it.\nThanks, mate. I think I understand Chinese now.", ">\n\nYeah accident, right over MOTSU and Fort Bragg... If you don't know what MOTSU is google it. Biggest weapons depot port the military has.", ">\n\nAh yes, two things their satellites never see!", ">\n\nSure their sats see it, but I find it rather strange that their accidental course flew over both the army's biggest base and their biggest weapons depot. I live directly next MOTSU, fighter jets were scarmbled all over the place which is not usual. Obviously the military was on high alert.", ">\n\nMilitary has been on high alert before it even hit us airspace.", ">\n\nOur international airport is shutdown because of the balloon as well so fighter jets can guard motsu." ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story", ">\n\nWe just saw it over pineville, nc. Several jets flying around the area as well. It was headed southwest.", ">\n\nThey just shot it down over South Carolina. My mother in law said it was really loud", ">\n\nA friend of mine has posted a few snaps of a “balloon” being shot down over myrtle beach…", ">\n\nI thought it was a croque monsieur incident.", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said in a statement.\n\nTaiwan will be happy to hear of this new position.", ">\n\nForce majeure usually comes with notifying the country first, so nah.", ">\n\nIf you legit don’t think this is a spy device you are a kook.", ">\n\nA farce manure? Yeah, sounds about right.", ">\n\nMaybe we haven’t damaged it because we hacked it and are watching what it attempts to analyze. We see you, too.", ">\n\nOver the state where nuclear war heads are stored? A bit sus...", ">\n\nNever trust what China says. Whatever they say, it’s most likely the opposite. Maybe once in a while what they say is true but they’re just way too untrustworthy. Trusting anything they say is like trusting your cheating ex that this time they’re different.", ">\n\nSo it’s not a weather balloon \nIt wasn’t NOT intentional \nAnd they aren’t sorry about it.\nThanks, mate. I think I understand Chinese now.", ">\n\nYeah accident, right over MOTSU and Fort Bragg... If you don't know what MOTSU is google it. Biggest weapons depot port the military has.", ">\n\nAh yes, two things their satellites never see!", ">\n\nSure their sats see it, but I find it rather strange that their accidental course flew over both the army's biggest base and their biggest weapons depot. I live directly next MOTSU, fighter jets were scarmbled all over the place which is not usual. Obviously the military was on high alert.", ">\n\nMilitary has been on high alert before it even hit us airspace.", ">\n\nOur international airport is shutdown because of the balloon as well so fighter jets can guard motsu.", ">\n\ntheir cloud camo machine malfunctioned... wonk wonk....\nthe real accident was, it got noticed...lol" ]

[ "Force majeure: An event or effect that cannot be reasonably anticipated or controlled, e.g. ACT OF GOD", ">\n\nWhat are you saying exactly?", ">\n\nIt’s a legal stance that they couldn’t control it so they aren’t at fault. Basically they weren’t spying on the us, this shit just went over the us by a failure. It also prevents us from seizing it and whatever was attached to it. Idk how well this argument will srand", ">\n\nSource on the “force majeure” claim preventing the US from seizing it? I don’t see how that can possibly be the case.", ">\n\nSo I guess the other one over Latin America is another “mu-bad”?!! 🤨", ">\n\nDrop a bunch of leaves from a building and watch the wind carrying them in different directions.", ">\n\nThe balloon over the US has shown it can maneuver. They aren't just blowing around.", ">\n\nIt’s Pennywise looking to scoop up some adult tartare for lunch!! 🎈🤡", ">\n\nDid you see the post about Steven King too?", ">\n\nWhat post? Don't tell me he died!", ">\n\nSo they'd have no problem with us bringing down their \"errant\" balloon?", ">\n\nWe’re about to find out", ">\n\nI might believe the balloon somehow got blown way off course-\nIf there wasn’t another one over South America. \nTwo just seems a little too much of a coincidence. \nI guess it might be possible both balloons got caught up in the same winds or jet stream, but… eh.", ">\n\nOnce is chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. \nI’m just waiting to read about the third one floating around so I can then jump to the ‘oh it’s totally intentional’ conclusion.", ">\n\nfool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, uhhh cant get fooled again", ">\n\n*throws shoe*", ">\n\n*dodges*\n*throws other shoe*\n*dodges again*", ">\n\nGeorge Bush don’t care about Shoe people", ">\n\nHilariously, neither does Ye anymore.", ">\n\nGreat follow up.", ">\n\nAdidas dropped him, didn't they?", ">\n\nYes they did. 300 mil down the drain.", ">\n\nForce Majeure in their vocabulary is \" caught in the act\".", ">\n\nFind a third balloon, and it is a majeure à trois", ">\n\nMaybe then we'll figure out who the Chinese are in bed with.", ">\n\nChina doesn’t do soft power well. They have a limited number of allies.\nRussia and China are friendly but only if China doesn’t mess with India. Russia will always side with India because Russia and India both experienced “Sino wars” in the 1960’s.", ">\n\nIndia is one of Russia’s largest trading partners. It might be the largest now.", ">\n\nchina: we dont have to use airballoons to spy on you. we simply bribe some of your underpaid workers.", ">\n\nThat costs money though. Just handing out TikTok to everyone is way easier.", ">\n\nInsane how little tiktok is being brought up right now. 1/8th of all living humans across the entire planet are using tiktok every month, voluntarily sharing private and confidential info", ">\n\nInsane how little US spyware apps like Facebook, Twitter, Insta, Snapchat get brought up", ">\n\nWell the two are very different so why would those be brought up?", ">\n\nDifference in that American spyware = good? Chinese spyware = bad?", ">\n\nThe level of spyware in TikTok > level of spyware in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter combined", ">\n\nIf you actually believe that, then there's really no changing your mind lmao", ">\n\nLol ahh yes because all the other apps share data through a third party and I can’t tell where my data goes from Facebook 🙄 putting it out there I don’t use Facebook Twitter or insta for the reason I don’t want my data fucked with, doesn’t change the fact that TikTok is leagues worse than any of them tho", ">\n\n\nthrough a third party\n\nIs the US government a third party though?\nSurely if you're concerned about Tiktok spying then you would like to see something done about all apps spying", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said\n\nRiiight, riight, right.", ">\n\nEvery other country that borders the South China Sea would beg to differ. Every single one.", ">\n\nChina has fought a war with every single one of their neighbors, even the ones that aren’t land bordering them lol", ">\n\nI do indeed remember when big bully China fought a war against sweet innocent Japan in the 1930s and 40s", ">\n\nJapan was trying to de-Nazify China ofc", ">\n\nNow it seems the accident is changing course intentionally and there is a second accident floating over Latin America.", ">\n\n“We are very sorry that we got caught”", ">\n\nWeather / wind current patterns suggest that China is lying, especially now that there is another spotted in Latin America.", ">\n\nChina and lying about foreign policy. Name a more iconic duo.", ">\n\nYeah, but [insert whataboutism here]?", ">\n\nThey are working their way down. They're busy doing that to the top comments, atm.", ">\n\nYep. I just caught a \"The US can't have the moral high ground on this because [the US did bad shit in the past]\"\nOn a comment that had nothing to do with the US, and was just pointing out how much china bald-face lies.", ">\n\n99 red balloons go by", ">\n\nI would think the US would want to get hands on that to see the payload. Maybe that would explain why a balloon vs satellite or spy plane. Maybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.", ">\n\n\nMaybe it's carrying some instrumentation that won't work from too high altitude.\n\nIt's 66,000ft. The US U2 spy plane ceiling is 70,000ft. The Chinese J11 has a ceiling of 62,000ft. Most commercial aircraft are 42,000ft. Obviously satellites are a lot higher.", ">\n\nFurther, there are satellites in ‘space’ that can see whether your toes are hanging over the edge of a curb while you’re waiting for the bus…", ">\n\nYeah but the ballon can loiter around an area for longer. Also given where it actually was, I’m kind of wondering if it had specialized equipment designed to check on the readiness status of the minuteman instillations in Montana that a satellite isn’t able to do. Either that or they’re after the Krusty Krab Secret Formula.", ">\n\nGeostationary satellites survey the same spot on earth indefinitely because they are rotating with the earth at the same speed.\nExamples: \nNOAA GOES EAST\nNOAA GOES WEST", ">\n\ncool but those have shit resolution cause of their range. spy sats are generally not in geostationary orbit. the reason those sats can be that far out is they are looking at things the size of clouds. most earth observation sats are in LEO.", ">\n\nSure - it “accidentally” flew through Canada and halfway across the US without them notifying anyone", ">\n\nI've seen a flight path posted which supposedly originates from NORAD and they have the balloon as coming from the Chinese mainland. That thing crossed over both South-Korean and Japanese airspace before going up the Pacific Northwest outwards of Kamchatka towards Alaska. So they must have been tracking it since it was launched, or are they just extrapolating from wind directions etc?", ">\n\n\nSorry\n\nA word we will NEVER hear from the chinese government.\n\nChina's foreign ministry said on Saturday that flight of a Chinese \"airship\" over the United States was a force majeure accident, accusing U.S. politicians and media of taking advantage of the situation to discredit China.\n\nFigures. A \"higher power\" launched (of all clays!) a chinese spy balloon and then moved it across the US.", ">\n\nNo apology, but we did get a lecture on how we should be reasonable about spying and keep a cool head about having our airspace violated. The gaslighting is real.", ">\n\nRussia doesn’t lie to deceive you. They lie to insult you.", ">\n\nTikTok that!", ">\n\nGod himself could come down and confirm this as an \"Act of Me\" and I still wouldn't trust China. Totalitarian regimes do batshit insane things all the time, depending on which side of the bed Dear Leader woke up on. \"Spy balloon\" is well within the batshit insane realm.", ">\n\nCmon do we really need to have the conversation if this was intentional or not? Are we really going to entertain that idea? Yall cannot be that stupid to think this was an accident.", ">\n\nYou're too emotional if you can't entertain an idea even if you think it's highly unlikely", ">\n\nThey are testing the airstreams so that they can put harmful dust/ gas particles in the air.", ">\n\nI’d be embarrassed if I were them. We have people just taking pics of their spy tech with their cell phones as we all watch it pass by.", ">\n\nThe U.S. should just send a big balloon with Winnie the Pooh on the side into Chinese airspace just to troll them.", ">\n\nChinese version of \"Sphere\" of influence xD", ">\n\nChina admitted not having the technology to control an airship.", ">\n\nIt's probably a distraction.", ">\n\nAre we supposed to believe that China didn't have any way of tracking their balloon? And if they did, and it was just an innocent weather balloon that got blown off course, what was stopping them from calling up the US and letting them know that shit happened, let's all be chill about it?\nI mean, we all know China is bullshitting, but they could at least come up with something more convincing...", ">\n\nIts weird how people are falling for this fearmongering hook line and sinker. \nChina if they wanted to surveillance US, they could have done it via satellite which has been mentioned by Pentagon as well. Hell, we both do it to each other already all the time. Also, if China needed anything else, they can do so via data harvesting through data brokers. Also, if this was actually serious, Military would have shot it down no question asked no reports nothing, we would hear nothing of it. Media is pumping this up (because hey clicks and views) and we are all buying the fearmonger.", ">\n\nIn defense of fear-mongering... China has been, in the past two decades, the only real credible threat against Western hegemony. The dire straits Russia is in currently should indicate that, despite their nuclear arsenal, they basically relied on energy exports and were pretty much geopolitically relegated to the position of weak 3rd power (in the same vein as India) at best or Chinese satellite state at worst.\nMaking a big deal about the balloons is absolutely Western propaganda. But they're doing that for a reason. It's signalling to China that they can drum up support and fear-monger and do what it takes to vilify if need be.\nChina still is a legitimate threat to Western hegemony. It seems like we might get the last laugh on the economic front, and they've never been able to compete in conventional military, but they are still comparable in a lot of areas of computing, cybersecurity, and potentially using space (yes, outer-space. don't roll your eyes) as a domain. \n100% agree that if it was serious we wouldn't know about it, but I disagree with outright dismissal of being wary. I don't know if I completely believe everything I read about the human rights violations, Uighur genocide, or alleged immoral biochemical experimentation, but even a small portion of it is true, it's not something I can feel comfortable with.\nThe other issue is that a lot of policy makers for the US, GB, and to a lesser extent EU were educated by the same hard-line neoliberal academics who believe in the Thucydides Trap. So even if I don't believe the hype, it is concerning that policy makers, budget allocators, and button pressers might be.", ">\n\nyour argument would have more merit if westerners werent already fearful and distrustful of china lol. just look at the polls pre balloon", ">\n\nto that, i'd say my argument maintains the same merit it had before the balloons. the strength of the argument hasn't changed and wont until something fundamentally shifts the dynamic between the two countries. they're fearful and distrustful of china because they should be. not saying that Western countries are blameless, but most of us on reddit live in them. I'd imagine, if I could get reliable polls on Chinese views of the United States over the past 20 years, they've been equally distrustful.", ">\n\nnah i disagree. your argument is that the media is drumming up fear of these balloons as a signal to china that america can do what it takes to vilify china. like you and i know, china vilifies themselves lol for free. i think its silly to believe that this is a coordinated propaganda campaign rather than just china either doing something nefarious or fucking up like they often do", ">\n\nthe media is drumming up fear. china is doing something nefarious. whether or not it constitutes a fuck-up, is not something i can be sure of. i'm sure all countries have dirt at the ready to drop on their adversaries if need be. which news agency broke the balloon story first?", ">\n\nbig diff between the media drumming up fear and \"western propaganda\" lol. and again, america does not need to have any \"dirt\" to drop on china, china drops dirt on themselves", ">\n\ni guess that's the difference of opinion here. i don't buy into the Chinese \"whoops!\" argument. there is more context to this that we don't know about. what Western media has been saying is that the DoD had been tracking a surveillance balloon. The Secretary of State cancelled a planned visit to China. A second balloon was revealed over Latin America. There's a lot going on between the lines, but what has been reported by either side is purposeful.", ">\n\nYeah right, like I believe that story. I'm gonna do a live on tik tok about it right now.....", ">\n\nMaybe the real Chinese spy balloons are the friends we made along the way 🙏🏾", ">\n\nAka - lets test and see if we can target carriers with hypersonic missiles via balloon……..\nLaunch a few and see if the US can track…\nIn tit of Tat diplomatic games watch for the US to ratchet it up a few. \nCarrier port of call in Taiwan time…", ">\n\nI mean, if we can't track a thing that size moving that slowly and emitting that much signal... Well, it's silly to start this sentence that way. We can and have.", ">\n\nForeign spy balloons are no big deal but if you, a U.S. citizen, try to fly a pocket drone over an empty field in Yellowstone National Park, the Feds will be on it stat.", ">\n\nIt is no big deal. Its two balloons. 1/8th of our planet logs into tiktok every month, volunteering all the footage of everything everywhere all the time. And drones in national parks are a genuine hazard to wildlife.", ">\n\nWe are sorry we got caught.", ">\n\nit would be a real shame for it to have an ACCIDENT over some of the more remote parts of America, and we get a sweet look at that 5000 mega pixel surveillance gear they've been bragging about. \nBet the only reason it's still up is the CIA or what ever alphabet soup agency is trying to figure out the best opportunity and or cover story", ">\n\nWe just saw it over pineville, nc. Several jets flying around the area as well. It was headed southwest.", ">\n\nThey just shot it down over South Carolina. My mother in law said it was really loud", ">\n\nA friend of mine has posted a few snaps of a “balloon” being shot down over myrtle beach…", ">\n\nI thought it was a croque monsieur incident.", ">\n\n\n\"China has always strictly abided by international law and respected the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries,\" the ministry said in a statement.\n\nTaiwan will be happy to hear of this new position.", ">\n\nForce majeure usually comes with notifying the country first, so nah.", ">\n\nIf you legit don’t think this is a spy device you are a kook.", ">\n\nA farce manure? Yeah, sounds about right.", ">\n\nMaybe we haven’t damaged it because we hacked it and are watching what it attempts to analyze. We see you, too.", ">\n\nOver the state where nuclear war heads are stored? A bit sus...", ">\n\nNever trust what China says. Whatever they say, it’s most likely the opposite. Maybe once in a while what they say is true but they’re just way too untrustworthy. Trusting anything they say is like trusting your cheating ex that this time they’re different.", ">\n\nSo it’s not a weather balloon \nIt wasn’t NOT intentional \nAnd they aren’t sorry about it.\nThanks, mate. I think I understand Chinese now.", ">\n\nYeah accident, right over MOTSU and Fort Bragg... If you don't know what MOTSU is google it. Biggest weapons depot port the military has.", ">\n\nAh yes, two things their satellites never see!", ">\n\nSure their sats see it, but I find it rather strange that their accidental course flew over both the army's biggest base and their biggest weapons depot. I live directly next MOTSU, fighter jets were scarmbled all over the place which is not usual. Obviously the military was on high alert.", ">\n\nMilitary has been on high alert before it even hit us airspace.", ">\n\nOur international airport is shutdown because of the balloon as well so fighter jets can guard motsu.", ">\n\ntheir cloud camo machine malfunctioned... wonk wonk....\nthe real accident was, it got noticed...lol", ">\n\nBalloon shmaloon. What I care about is why did they cancel the Blinken 182 china tour?" ]