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Is. |
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This gone? |
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Can you hear me. |
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Out the back? |
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Yes. |
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Speak up. |
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Raise the volume. |
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And. |
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I'll just speak louder. |
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I can't see the volume switch on this. |
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Is it actually coming through the thing? |
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Kind of. |
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Or I'll just try and speak Labs. |
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Or is it? |
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I'm not here to help you understand how the brain |
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helps you love someone like this. |
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We're here to try and understand a bit about how |
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we might try and study emotions in the brain. |
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And to do that, we need to define emotions in |
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a way that make them scientifically tractable. |
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And this slide tries to help you do that. |
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I want to consider emotions that are consistent and discrete |
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responses to an event of significance. |
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We need something that's consistent. |
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We need them to be discrete if we're trying to |
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understand how they represent in the brain. |
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I will argue that emotions are important because they help |
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direct an appropriate course of action. |
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The most obvious thing in this case is threat. |
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If you're under threat, you want to fight. |
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You want to flee. |
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You need to elevate your blood pressure so that your |
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body is more prepared. |
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You need to change your galvanic skin resistance. |
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You actually need to redirect the blood supply to your |
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body. |
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You need to do a bunch of things that are |
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associated with sympathetic arousal. |
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It makes sense. |
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Then, if you start to feel an emotion of fear |
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that that is associated with a physiological response. |
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But emotions are also important because they help organise other |
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aspects of cognition, not just make your body ready for |
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a particular course of action. |
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They help you maybe remember things that help you pay |
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attention to particular aspects of your surroundings. |
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In humans, we know that emotions are associated with feelings |
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that might feel sad. |
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It's a bit hard to ask an animal what feelings |
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they have. |
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So we need to, when we study and want to |
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understand the neuroscience of emotions, we need to examine those |
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emotions or those aspects of emotions which are reportable, not |
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those which are subjective and unavailable to scientific analysis. |
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And I should just mention here that you find in |
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the literature the word affect and emotion or affective neuroscience |
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used interchangeably, and it's a little bit discombobulating for the |
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first few times to read that. |
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But you just need to think of ethics and emotion |
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as effectively meaning the same thing. |
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So there are many ways of describing emotions. |
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I like this and it is a very influential model |
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of how emotions can be represented. |
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This model was developed by asking several hundred, maybe even |
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thousands of participants in the early 1980s to describe the |
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relationships between different named emotions, which we'll see in a |
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second. |
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And effectively, the mathematical fallout of that experiment was that |
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most emotions or most emotional states that people recognise could |
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be described as lying along a space in a space |
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that's formed by two axes, the two dimensional space. |
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And those two axes are one of arousal. |
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So you can vary between being aroused and being sleepy |
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and one of balance that is between pleasure or positive |
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affect and misery or negative affect. |
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So these two axes, it turns out, as sufficient to |
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describe or at least to place most of the emotional |
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states that we encounter. |
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So if we put the various words that were used |
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in this analysis onto this space, they all kind of |
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make sense. |
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So, for example, when you have positive valence and high |
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arousal, emotions that are associated with those two things, for |
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example, excited or astonished or delighted and depending on the |
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relative balance of violence and arousal, you lie at different |
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points in this. |
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Similarly, if you have positive violence but low arousal, then |
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you might have things like serene content at ease, things |
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that are associated with low arousal but still positive. |
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So they lie down here, low valence, sorry, low arousal |
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and negative valence, on the other hand, means things like |
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sad, gloomy, depressed, those kinds of words. |
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And finally, high arousal and negative valence means things like |
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annoyed, afraid, fear. |
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So it makes sense, the space makes sense, and it's |
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become a very influential and powerful model for trying to |
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explain the relationships between different emotions. |
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And we'll be getting back to that in a in |
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a few slides time. |
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What I would like to provide you, though, with the |
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caveat is that it is still a matter of substantial |
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debate about whether emotions in the brain represented along these |
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two axes. |
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In other words, maybe you have one brain system that |
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focuses on arousal, another one that focuses on violence. |
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And together these two brain systems, for example, may represent |
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all the possible emotions or whether you have dedicated brain |
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systems for particular emotional states. |
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So those are the two contradictory hypotheses. |
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The evidence is still not in about which one describes |
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brain function better. |
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But this is a convenient way to think about the |
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different emotions and the relationship between them. |
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The study of emotions is had in cognition, and psychology |
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has had a long and checkered history. |
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Often called the folk perspective of emotions is the following. |
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There's a stimulus out there in the world. |
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We perceive it that then gives that perception and gives |
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rise to some form of emotional response. |
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And that emotional response in turn drives physiological actions like |
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increased blood pressure. |
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It's not to be pejorative to say this is a |
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folk explanation, but this is the typical one that we |
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might if we introspect. |
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Think about what happens. |
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This folk, so-called folk was challenged in the late 19th |
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century. |
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And indeed, a very popular theory from William James and |
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Carl Long, which I'll describe in a second, but which |
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is nicely described in this paragraph, not all of which |
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are read out. |
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I just want to highlight a particular sentence. |
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If I begin to tremble because I am threatened with |
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a loaded pistol. |
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That first person is to carry me. |
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Does terror arise? |
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And is that what causes my trembling confrontation of the |
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heart and confusion of thought? |
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Or are these bodily phenomenon produced directly by the terrifying |
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cause so that the emotion consists exclusively of the functional |
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disturbances in my body? |
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This is a long describing alternative way of looking at |
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how we start to experience the emotional event. |
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And in this kind of model, then the stimulus, for |
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example, a loaded pistol is perceived by axons of the |
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cerebral cortex. |
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That perception, in turn drives a physiological response, trembling, increased |
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blood pressure. |
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And the emotion that you experience is effectively you reading |
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out that visceral response with your brain. |
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I trembled, therefore, I am afraid. |
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A very popular and and still a model with some |
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some evidence we process it's the planted in the early |
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20th century by Canon Bard who suggested that instead of |
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this model which seemed to be inconsistent with some of |
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the measurements they were making instead the stimulus, this motor |
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pistol may still be perceived by the action of the |
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cerebral cortex, but then its perception of its action in |
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the cerebral cortex drove two distinct pathways. |
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In one pathway we get the emotional response and in |
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the other pathway we get the physiological response. |
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So this is kind of a parallel description, that descriptor |
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of emotions and the associated physiological responses arising in parallel |
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circuits. |
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And there's some evidence for and against this hypothesis as |
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described here. |
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Finding this insufficient to describe some of the experiments of |
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the kind that you would only probably do in the |
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1970s sector. |
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And seeing I came up with a slightly different way |
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of describing this process that is that that stimulus to |
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load a pistol again leads to perception again in the |
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cerebral cortex. |
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But this then drives a physiological response and there is |
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a contextual modulation of that and those things are read |
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out to provide the motion. |
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So for example, in the famous experiment conducted here, participants |
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were given an injection of adrenaline, which increases blood pressure. |
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And then were asked to describe their emotional state. |
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And some partisans describe it as being excited and aroused. |
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And others did not. |
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And it turned out that the particular label, the emotional |
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state that the people gave, depended on the context in |
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which they were provided. |
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That arousing steam was that increase in blood pressure. |
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So the blood pressure itself was actually generating. |
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You did seem to be reading that out as a |
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kind of emotional state, but the label that you attached |
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to it was that dependent on the context that you |
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found yourself in. |
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So this is where we found ourselves in the late |
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1970s and 1980s. |
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Not much has changed too much because we haven't had |
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a huge amount of evidence to decide among these different |
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alternatives. |
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It turns out it's quite difficult to study the analysis |
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of emotions in the brain. |
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And indeed, almost all the work that we have or |
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the understanding that we have come from the study of |
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a very particular brain area, the amygdala. |
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And we'll be spending a lot of this lecture on |
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that area to give you a bit of context for |
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understanding the brain of the amygdala. |
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I need to introduce you to the limbic system hypothesis. |
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Has anyone come across the limbic system before? |
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I presume you have. |
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Who has not? |
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Is a few of you who has as a few |
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more of you, would someone care to describe to me |
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what you understand the limbic system to be? |
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The description on here without reading that out. |
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Back when you when you were talking about the Olympics |
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this summer, when you encountered it, what did you imagine |
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it to be? |
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Yes. |
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You know. |
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So the general idea is the limbic system is this |
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kind of state of something that drives your emotional states. |
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The kind of larger idea is that the limbic system |
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that's common, by the way, and if you do study |
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clinical psychology, you find a lot of clinical psychology still |
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uses this, what shall we say, simplistic description of the |
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brain to understand some of the descriptions that I want |
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to make. |
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The kind of larger idea is that the limbic system |
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seemed to evolve long ago. |
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It's part of the history of our evolution and that |
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during evolution we have supplanted or added to this limbic |
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system things like the cerebral cortex and the expansion of |
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the cerebral cortex in humans. |
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The idea being that this ancient reptilian brain, which has |
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continued to be there even as we have evolved and |
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added in all these other systems. |
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So the kind of first idea that you have sometimes |
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the limbic system is this is this ancient pathway or |
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part of the brain that evolved in reptiles and lower |
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animals is preserved, still is unconscious, or we have no |
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access or awareness of its activity, but it drives our |
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emotions and cognitions. |
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That, I think, is the kind of idea of the |
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limbic system that we usually have. |
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I think know, by the way, that the limbic system, |
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which is a circuit which includes the hypothalamus, anterior thalamus, |
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the finger gyrus and we'll get on to that in |
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the next slide, has over the years had things attached |
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to it. |
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So for example, the amygdala, the septum, the orbitofrontal cortex |
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and portions of the basal ganglia, turns out, as we |
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see in the next slide. |
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That first time that basically the limbic system now encompasses |
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much of the brain and I think its explanatory power |
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is therefore substantially reduced. |
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There's other reasons to think that this explanatory power is |
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not very strong, and that is that actually the idea |
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that we have evolved on top of this limbic system |
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is not really a correct reading of evolution. |
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So this is a graphical description. |
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By the way, I encourage you to read this article |
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because it has perhaps the best I've ever seen. |
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Your brain is not an onion with a tiny reptile |
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inside. |
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The classic view of the limbic system. |
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It's kind of described amber here. |
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The idea is that evolution is the fishes evolve into |
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rodents, evolve into humans, and that fishes, which have this |
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pronounced limbic system, which is still substantially preserved in mass |
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and then only slightly elaborate and then slightly inverted, sorry, |
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and then further elaborated in humans that this limbic system |
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we've inherited from this ancestor. |
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That's not how evolution works. |
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We are not so linearly related. |
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We are not the end product of the chain of |
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evolution whose goal is to create stupid human beings. |
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Instead, evolution is a series of parallel processes, and indeed |
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we diverge from the evolutionary lineage that links us with |
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fishes. |
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Before my did. |
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And indeed, if you look at the brains of each |
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of these three different species, species, humans and mice, you |
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actually find shared components there in all the systems more |
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pronounced or less pronounced in different species, but still same |
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components. |
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So the idea that this limbic system is something that |
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was the kind of entirety of the cognitive system of |
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teachers and sits there in that sort of unconscious awareness |
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in ourselves is not really an accurate description of evolution |
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nor of the brain structure of these animals or ourselves. |
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So for that reason, I would argue that the idea |
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of thinking the limbic system has only limited value. |
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Nevertheless, this is the limbic system and in particular the |
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circuit here, which you can read about in your letter. |
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But the idea here is that there's a circuit, as |
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I said before, the single cortex, the hippocampus, the hypothalamus |
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and the anterior thalamus missing the four words or working |
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together in a circuit to produce some emotional state. |
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This was the state of play in the 1970s, 1980s. |
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It's now been largely supplanted mainly by studying particular brain |
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areas such as the amygdala. |
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And and we'll go through that in the next set |
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of the lecture. |
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Before I get on to that, I just want to |
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make a digression into understanding emotions through emotional phases, because |
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most of us communicate our emotions through our facial expressions, |
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and most of us understand the emotions of others by |
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looking at this facial expressions. |
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This seems to be the major route through which we |
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communicate emotions, and also animals can also recognise and communicate |
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emotions through similar facial expressions. |
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Turns out that you can actually train computer programs to |
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recognise categorise very accurately the emotions that people might be |
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experiencing by simply reading the visual image of their face. |
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This was now a few years ago. |
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This particular one technology is substantially improved, but effectively the |
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kinds of neural networks that bound artificial intelligence that are |
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bound in our world now are quite capable of using |
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images of you through your video camera and your computer |
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or your phone to read, or at least try and |
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classify your emotional state. |
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And they do this, unfortunately, very accurately, not always accurately, |
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but pretty accurately. |
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That is, there is a set of facial configurations that |
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we all seem to share when we experience certain emotions. |
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We've actually known that for a long time. |
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It's these lovely photos doing the work of Titian in |
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the mid 19th century who discovered one of the very |
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first uses of electricity in experimental science discovered that you |
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can actually create facial expressions on individuals simply by stimulating |
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particular groups of muscles on the face. |
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So these in this picture here, this is Dustin. |
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Again, we don't really do experiments like this anymore, unfortunately. |
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Maybe. |
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But these are little electrical stimulating devices being attached to |
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the muscles. |
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I told you many lectures ago, the muscles of the |
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other electrically excitable cell in the body of the nerve |
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cells. |
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And it turns out that by passing current into muscles, |
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we cause them to contract. |
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And if we cause these contractions in particular muscle groups |
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in the face, we can provide these things that look |
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like almost realistic expressions, fear, smiles, etc.. |
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The point I want you to take from this is |
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that the organisation of the facial muscles seems to be |
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such that it simplifies and allows expression of emotion through |
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expressions. |
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We seem to have developed our face muscles for that |
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purpose. |
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Sometime later, Ekman and colleagues discovered that there was actually |
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a proposal and then provided evidence for the hypothesis that |
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there are actually universal emotional faces that we can all |
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recognise, and that we may all just claim that largely |
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the these emotional faces, the six faces. |
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So the universally accepted is universal and another couple that |
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are more controversial. |
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If you look at these posed actor that faces anger, |
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fear, disgust, surprise, happiness, sadness. |
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You should or maybe not, but you should probably recognise |
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the same expressions and the emotions in those expressions in |
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work that my wife just published actually yesterday in the |
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Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. |
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She challenges this distinction. |
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Turns out that actually these posed acted out expressions are |
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not very good ways of testing, emotional recognition, and that |
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if we allow each other to evolve the expressions in |
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images, devolve the expressions that we think relate to anger |
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or fear or sadness. |
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It turns out we can evolve very divergent expressions. |
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There is many commonalities, but there's a lot of differences |
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such that two individual people may recognise the one face, |
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for example, this one here as two different emotions fear |
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or surprise might be. |
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However, the reason that Ackman's work became so popular and |
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influential is that these studies conducted in groups of people |
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who had had limited cultural contact with other parts of |
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the world. |
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In this case, the tribesmen of Papua New Guinea, a |
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small island just north of the Queensland in Australia, very |
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densely vegetated, a lot of hills and valleys. |
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A number of tribes within them who had had very, |
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very limited contact with any part of the Western world, |
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even in the 1970s. |
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And this famous study sought to see whether or not |
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the facial expressions they produce were similar to those that |
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we in the West might produce for similar kinds of |
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emotional states. |
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And the conclusion was that they were indeed suggesting that |
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it's not just about cultural conformity or spread of between |
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different cultures. |
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That leads us to a commonality in our facial expressions |
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and emotions, but actually that these are something innate, all |
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inbuilt in humans. |
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If we try to put these universal of emotions on |
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that axis of arousal and violence that we described earlier, |
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we find that actually, somewhat surprisingly, almost all of them |
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are associated with higher arousal. |
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I'm not exactly sure why this is. |
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I have a feeling that these emotions that I'm feeling, |
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the emotions that are associated with high arousal that are |
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most important for us to communicate and for us to |
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respond to. |
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It also turns out that the way that we make |
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these expressions depends on somewhat different brain systems, or at |
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least a couple of different brain systems. |
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That's, well, well-established in looking at people with small brain |
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lesions in appropriate parts of the brain. |
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And you can see here the two types of emotional |
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paralysis that you can see in people with these small |
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lesions, one brain called facial motor paralysis, that's one on |
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the left here. |
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The other emotional motor paralysis and emotional motor paralysis. |
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People have very much difficulty forming the actual expression associated |
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with an emotion. |
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In face of murder paralysis. |
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Since dead people have difficulty in forming emotions if they |
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are asked to generate that emotion without the appropriate stimulus. |
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Whereas if they had provided an appropriate stimulus, they can |
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actually produce a smile. |
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And the inference from this work is that there's two |
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strains of facial emotion, a volitional system and law of |
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Matic system. |
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And the automatic system is one that includes the hypothalamus, |
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the amygdala in the frontal cortex, i.e. the limbic system |
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or its components. |
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So I want to introduce that because this is the |
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normal way that we trying to out someone else's emotional |
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state is to look at the facial expressions or to |
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communicate. |
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The emotional state is through that. |
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And we're going to spend a little bit of time |
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in the next part of the lecture going through some |
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of the mechanisms that might be important in trying to |
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bring these two things together the recognition of textual emotions |
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and the production of emotion through responses. |
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So we mentioned the amygdala before. |
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It's part of the enlarged to kind of larger limbic |
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system, not the original one. |
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It was actually discovered in the late 1930s, early 1940s |
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by Coover and Bucy, who did some experiments on monkeys |
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in which they removed large fractions of the temporal lobes. |
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And they discovered very complex behavioural changes in these animals, |
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including noses, sexuality, inappropriate eating and the lack of fluency |
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in the constellation of these symptoms is often called Clifford |
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syndrome. |
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Now these were very large lesions appropriate to the surgical |
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techniques at the time. |
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It took several decades before more improved surgical techniques could |
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remove smaller parts of the brain. |
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And asked the same kind of questions. |
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And indeed, it was Larry Weiss Prince, who's a very |
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famous and important neurosurgeon, who discovered that by removing a |
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little bit of the brain called the amygdala, amygdala means |
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almond. |
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So it's an almond shaped part of the brain. |
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But by removing this component, you could reproduce the emotional |
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symptoms that these animals had experienced. |
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So this part of the brain, the amygdala from then |
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on became a very much of the focus for trying |
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to understand how emotions are represented in the brain. |
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The other paradigm I want to introduce you to is |
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that that's been popularised by Joe LeDoux. |
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Joe to do is at New York University. |
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He developed and continues to use this paradigm called conditioned |
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fear. |
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Now. |
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I saw Joe. |
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I invited Joe to give a lecture once, and at |
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the end of the lecture, I'm about to describe to |
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you the condition of the part. |
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On the end of the lecture, someone asked, Have you |
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ever thought of doing another type of experiment rather than |
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this conditioned fear? |
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And his answer was briefly, no. |
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He said no. |
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And I get asked that question all the time. |
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The reason I like this paradigm and why I continue |
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to use it is that I can predict now the |
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experience of every animal. |
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I don't need to do the actual behavioural experiment any |
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more. |
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This is such a reproducible behavioural experience experiment that it's |
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no longer necessary to conduct experiments on animals to actually |
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look at the behaviour itself. |
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You can just assume that that is what would have |
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happened and conduct other measurements that would look at the |
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neuroscience involved in that. |
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But conditioned fear in paradigms in love cells which are |
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incredibly powerful, are very simple. |
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The basic idea is to put an animal, a rat |
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usually, or a mouse in a little box, and that |
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box will have a little grid on the floor and |
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a little speaker on the wall. |
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And through the grid, you can pass the small amount |
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of current that's aversive to the animal, although not actually |
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painful. |
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And if you put current through that grid, the animal |
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will generally freeze. |
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It's an aversive stimulus, a potentially threatening stimulus. |
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Now, if you play the sound in of itself before |
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you without pairing it with that electric stroke, the animal |
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generally maybe the first time and he was like, what |
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the hell is going on there? |
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But very rapidly habituate and then ignores the sound because |
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it's a neutral, unthreatening stimulus. |
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However, if you pair or associate that sound with the |
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electric shock over several trials, the animals then replay the |
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sound by itself. |
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The animal is now displays just the reactions that it |
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would have otherwise displayed to the electric shock. |
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In other words, it freezes. |
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So this is a condition. |
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It's a classic paradigm. |
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It's been used to elucidate the role of the media. |
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It's not necessary to do this only in mice or |
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rats. |
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You can also do this in humans. |
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I love this video. |
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I'm dying to know. |
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That we have. |
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Period of classical conditioning I'm trying to get. |
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This will be the same thing. |
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And then I've got experience with this. |
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We learn the relationship. |
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Between a sounds and it's got more of a super. |
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Duper so that we can take for are going to |
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look like that. |
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Mastery works so you don't need to use rats. |
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You can use humans. |
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Let down some ethics people. |
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Okay. |
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So this. |
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Yes, it's a very good question. |
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And actually fear is the wrong this is what's what. |
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The conversation goes around every about ten or 15 years. |
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We just keep on going around the circles. |
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The question is, is there an emotional response or is |
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the animal responding to the potential threat? |
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Okay, so distinguishing between those two hypotheses is almost impossible. |
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So there's a subjective ness to fear as a concept |
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that we can't explore in a rat. |
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So this goes around and around. |
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Is is fear simply described as a response to a |
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threat or is it something in addition to that? |
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And unfortunately, there's been no resolution of that particular discussion. |
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You do know that the animal is exhibiting all the |
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signs of having had of of experiencing a potential threat. |
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Now, whether that is associated with fear in and of |
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itself is another question. |
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So it is a good question and unresolved still. |
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And it goes around this discussion goes around in the |
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in the field every ten or 15 years because it |
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threatens the threat of external stimuli. |
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So the internal response. |
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So the amygdala is central to to, as Joe has |
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worked so extensively, is essential to understanding this responses they |
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may do is actually have quite a complicated nucleus. |
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It's consists of at least 13 subdivisions. |
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We tend to ignore all of them except for two |
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or three. |
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The two or three that we're usually interested in, the |
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lateral nucleus, the basal nucleus and the central nucleus. |
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Usually, indeed, we actually ignore the base of the nucleus |
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and just think of the lateral, the central nucleus. |
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The lateral nucleus is where all this sensory input comes |
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into the amygdala from the cerebral cortex and from other |
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parts of the brain. |
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And central nucleus is the output of the one that |
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goes in control. |
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The physiological responses. |
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There are other outputs from amygdala, from the other parts |
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of it, which instead of controlling physiological responses, actually project |
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back to, for example, the cerebral cortex. |
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And we'll go through that briefly at the end in |
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humans, the images found around here. |
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In rats. |
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It's a slightly different location. |
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So this schematic turns the outcome of two or three |
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decades of work from Joe and others, which tells how |
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you might generate this condition. |
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Fear response. |
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We think of the condition stimulus as a sound stimulus. |
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It's conditioned because it's otherwise neutral, and then it gets |
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conditioned and then there's an unconditioned stimulus or us, which |
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is the future. |
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It's unconditioned. |
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In other words, the response to that stimulus is an |
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innate response is an instinctive response you don't have to |
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associate to get that response. |
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If you play the conditioned stimulus and the unconditioned stimulus |
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together, sound and food shock, the signals from these two |
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things are coming through the auditory pathway and through the |
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similar sensory pathways. |
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And these signals converge at the level of the lateral |
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nucleus in the amygdala. |
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So you have sound inputs coming through, somatic sensory inputs |
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coming through together. |
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These can now work together to find mechanisms of synaptic |
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plasticity to now convert that or allow that sound stimulus |
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to cause the same physiological response to the unconditioned stimulus |
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would have otherwise. |
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And then that output is then provided by the central |
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nutrients. |
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Now, you'll note here that there's actually several potential sources |
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of input to the amygdala, including the cerebral cortex, but |
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also subcortical areas such as Solomon's. |
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And it turns out that that's quite important for understanding |
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some of the reactions that we animals have to people |
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or other threatening stimuli. |
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So, for example, one of the early studies from Joe |
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showed that auditory cortex was not required for responding in |
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this condition fear, paranoia. |
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So if you remember before, when we were talking about |
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versus theories of emotional response, the idea was that you |
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perceive the stimulus with your cerebral cortex, and then that |
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generates that cascades through into other events. |
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What does work started is that at least in rodents |
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and as we'll see in a minute or so in |
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humans. |
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You don't need the cerebral cortex to respond to these |
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threatening events, suggesting that some of these threatening events could |
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be communicated to the amygdala via pathways that have no |
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access to perception or cognition themselves that are below the |
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level of awareness. |
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|
The particular experiments here were to lesion the bit to |
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the auditory cortex of the retinas, the way the auditory |
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cortex is in the rat. |
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|
And then to put them in this condition fear paradigm |
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and to measure several variables, including the freezing response, but |
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also things like blood pressure increases and so forth, and |
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become long story short. |
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Effectively, all the components of the threat, response or fear |
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response in rats were preserved in those animals that had |
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auditory cortex and didn't have auditory cortex. |
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In other words, cortex was not required for the animals |
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to exhibit this condition. |
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Fear that suggests that subcortical pathways are sufficient. |
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|
And indeed, the dominant hypothesis from Joe and others now |
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is that there are two votes for sensory input to |
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the amygdala. |
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One that goes through the thalamus and one that goes |
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through the cerebral cortex. |
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|
So for example, in human brain, the visual thalamus is |
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|
here, this blue blob. |
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The visual cortex is here. |
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The back of the brain and the amygdala. |
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It's here down the temporal lobe. |
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There are some either direct or indirect inputs from the |
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thalamus to the media, as well as inputs from the |
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visual cortex, but indirect and direct. |
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And the idea here is the central idea here is |
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that for some kinds of stimuli that you need, a |
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rapid response to those stimuli might be included in this |
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pathway that simply requires the farmers. |
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So, for example, snakes on a path in front of |
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you, you don't want to hit this guy. |
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It was like a snake. |
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Maybe it's a tiger snake round snake. |
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Instead, you want to get out of the way. |
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Actually, literally, you should freeze. |
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Many people try to get out of the way, but |
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if you get out of the way, they'll come for |
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you actually should just freeze. |
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That's one of the life tips you learn in Australia. |
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So the snake is there. |
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Maybe the signals for the snake were actually passed through |
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this thalamic pathway, this rapid pathway, the middle rather than |
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through the cerebral cortex, requires a perception that you can |
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react to that snake without actually having perceived it yourself. |
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It's sometimes called the high road and the low road, |
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the low road from the thalamus to move to the |
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highway through the sensory cortex. |
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And that's basically what I've just told you. |
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In humans, there is some evidence, as in rodents, there |
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is some evidence that the pathways are sufficient to activate |
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the amygdala. |
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This is a fascinating study of a person with blind |
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sight. |
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We discussed neglect, a couple of lecture lectures, go blind |
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sites of different phenomena. |
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If you lose part of your central cortex, you become |
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blind spot that you're not unaware of something like this. |
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You neglecting something be actually, at least according to people |
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who have these lesions you experience as an absence, a |
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blackness. |
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Basically in the US, in that part of the visual |
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world, people with lesions, the visual cortex report not being |
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able to perceive anything in the appropriate part of the |
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visual world. |
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So, for example, if your lesion on the left part |
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of your visual cortex, you won't see anything on the |
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right path of your visual field. |
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Nevertheless, people with these lesions can still respond appropriately, sometimes |
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to visual objects presented in that blind part of the |
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visual field. |
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A fascinating phenomena. |
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For example, they can actually navigate through obstacles in a |
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corridor or tell or actually respond reliably and see what |
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orientation opinions operate or mind to assign. |
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In addition, if you put someone in the scanner and |
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MRI scanner and conduct measurements whilst this person's images in |
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this case facial images of facial expressions, you can find |
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that in this part of the brain where the least |
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means this is a simple cortex is lesion. |
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The image was nevertheless activated by in this case, people |
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faces. |
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So for some reason or some pathway that bypasses visual |
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cortex, the primary visual cortex allows people to actually get |
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see moving to the Middle East. |
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Similarly, in humans with an intact amygdala, you can do |
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experiments such as backward masking this as you rapidly present |
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a stimulus and mask it with noise. |
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People report not being able to see the stimulus that |
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was presented briefly present a stimulus. |
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Turns out if you do that and you construct the |
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stimulus appropriately, you can find different. |
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You can find responses in the amygdala in mind that |
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seem to resemble fearful faces. |
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This is also evidence that you do not need perception |
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or cognition to actually activate. |
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So this is evidence that even in humans, as in |
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rats, there is some subcortical pathways as well as cortical |
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pathways. |
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And indeed, if you look at facial mimicry, when we |
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see people make expressions, we tend to make those expressions |
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ourselves. |
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That's called facial mimicry. |
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You find that facial mimicry is intact in people with |
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blind side. |
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Again, further evidence that you don't need to perceive things |
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to be able to detect and respond to emotions. |
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There is some. |
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Caveats. |
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This thing you should be aware of. |
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For example, there are very few people in the world |
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who have had lesions to the amygdala in the one |
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or two cases that have been studied does not seem |
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that this is 100% necessary to respond to emotions. |
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But bear in mind, as we talk about methods lecture |
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that people with lesions can find compensatory pathways and things |
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do change. |
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So it's not clear whether or not these kinds of |
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responses are true in intact humans. |
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I want to spend a couple of minutes just illustrating |
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to you that these emotional networks, such as the amygdala, |
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impact not only the physiological output, but also other cognitive |
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|
processing in the brain. |
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|
It turns out actually, that the amygdala is either directly |
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|
or indirectly connected to a huge amount of the brain |
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striatum prefrontal cortex, medial temporal lobe, cerebellum, pixabay neocortex, etc. |
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|
There's plenty of opportunity for the amygdala to guide our |
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cognition via emotional responses, in instance of time. |
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Because I would just like to introduce something for a |
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few minutes at the end of this lecture. |
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I'll skip over these two little slides, but you can |
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go back to look at them at your leisure. |
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I want to focus on this one, which describes an |
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experiment that could have already really been done once or |
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twice in our history. |
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|
As you all know, on September the 11th, 2001, perhaps |
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before you were born, the Twin Towers in New York, |
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the World Trade Centre, were destroyed in a terrorist attack. |
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This was a very emotional experience for many people. |
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My wife, for example, was based in New York University |
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at the time. |
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She stood on the top of the building and watched |
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those towers come down. |
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She still remembers that day very clearly. |
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The question that was asked in these experiments by researchers |
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whose prioritisation might be slightly strange was the day after |
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2001 researchers in Duke University. |
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Contact of Duke students. |
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The Duke is not New York itself. |
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Nevertheless, everyone of us was kind of watching these these |
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attacks and ask very simple questions. |
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Do you remember what do you remember about the events |
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on September 11th? |
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And what do you remember about other unrelated events? |
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The idea is that these events on September 11th might |
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be associated with flashbulb memories, things that are emotionally salient. |
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And the question is, do these emotionally salient events last |
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longer than nonstate ones, and do they have different content, |
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the most salient ones? |
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The answer to the first question is yes. |
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They seem to be more vivid for longer than non |
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emotionally salient events. |
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So these on this graph on the left here for |
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224 days after September 11th, these ratings were made, some |
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people for September 11th or other events. |
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You can see that the vividness for the subjective experience |
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of remembering events around September 11th was much greater than |
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that for other events, suggesting that emotion colours, memory, makes |
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things vivid, makes things more memorable. |
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On the other hand, the actual number of details that |
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we were able those people were able to remember about |
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the 11th and other events didn't seem to be much |
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different. |
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So what's the vividness and therefore importance of that memory |
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for people was higher. |
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The actual structure, the clarity of that memory was not |
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necessarily higher. |
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This has importance for understanding things like, for example, eyewitness |
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testimony. |
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So what I wanted to bring you here is that |
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clearly emotion does colour memory does it in complex ways. |
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Does this suggest that those circuits within the amygdala and |
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similar structures influence aspects of the hippocampus and other formation? |
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The final slide I want to show you simply reinforces |
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that by looking at some imaging studies. |
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But I will just mean the time link to go |
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through that yourself. |
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Q Would you like to just come down and help |
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people understand what we want you to do during your |
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reading week? |
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So thanks for that. |
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I hope we've both understood it. |
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Something about emotions and the brain. |
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I can't tell you about life, but we can tell |
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you about one of those things anyway, right? |
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Q Do. |
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You think you're going to find something to that. |
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Effect? |
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I don't think. |
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So, but I'm just going to take us through the |
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process of feedback for this module. |
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Before I do that, I just would like to take |
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on you had this lecture and it could take good |
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care of your brain and your amygdala otherwise ends up |
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in lots of dangerous situations. |
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Has anyone seen Die Another Day? |
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Great James Bond film from the mid-nineties. |
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Robert Carlyle. |
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Okay, can watch that. |
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Yeah. |
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So the best thing most I think if we see |
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one of these patients who has no MC to their |
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fitness emerges loving, playing dangerous snakes and tarantulas and whatever, |
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there's there's this lack of inhibition and we'll be picking |
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up that topic in lectures following this. |
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And the memory system is sound is just getting onto |
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memory at the end there. |
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And we'll be looking at methods where they've been able |
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to implant false memories into rats brains, where they can |
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turn on the memory, the flash of light, using that |
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fear conditioning approach and make rats afraid of places that |
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are completely normal, but they've just inserted false memories. |
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So we'll come back to that as the great play |
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into that memory circuits. |
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So this is the Moodle page for the module. |
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Just highlighting that we think is yeah. |
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The different modes. |
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You can do it. |
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It's fantastic. |
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Exactly. |
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Because a lot of hidden material behind the lectures. |
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Okay, so there's a keep in touch and we've been |
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able to look. |
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At these. |
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Questions here and we put announcements there and we've got |
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questions. |
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People have put in great questions and we'll try to |
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respond to those through the announcements page. |
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This is for general questions. |
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If something comes to you and you want to ask |
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a general question about the course, feel free to throw |
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a question into that for each the each of the |
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weeks from, let's say further onwards is a a at |
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the end of this fits with this class times is |
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reading and there. |
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Are. |
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Questions about lectures to feel free against remind everyone if |
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you have a question that pops up after reading maybe |
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in the middle of reading week or reading material and |
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you think, Oh, looking back at lectures for next week |
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for don't post the question in to that. |
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I will respond to that. |
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We'll see these. |
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But really today is the highlight right at the end |
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is a now exceptional have you would say and we'd |
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like to get your feedback through the key to have |
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this continuous module dialogue you still loves acronyms C and |
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D approach to the. |
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Module and. |
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There is now a link to a mental page where |
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you can go, I want to go. |
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Now. |
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Yeah. |
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It needs to work. |
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So it's currently sitting in there. |
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It's still running, but it needs to be updated. |
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So after this lecture we'll get that functioning. |
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If you can go in and answer the questions. |
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Have you understood things? |
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How do you say what are the things for this |
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course? |
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Is that within this large room there are people from |
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psychology, so you might have different perspectives to people inside |
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psychology. |
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It may be useful to get your reflections on this |
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module compared to other modules you're setting, but it will |
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be all of the questions. |
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And that means that you can go in and access |
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from that link. |
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In a couple of weeks we'll have another mentor as |
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you going forwards, more CMC approach, more, more feedback from |
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you and at the end, surprise, surprise, another mentee page |
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for feedback. |
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If you're in any module and I'm sure you're used |
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to filling out these mentees, but we'd love to hear |
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from you. |
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We've had great we've had some useful suggestions on the |
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page and we'll keep collecting that. |
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Thank you for all your attendance and enjoying the module. |
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We'll see you next week. |
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So there is a lot of great work to do, |
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but a lot. |
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Great. |
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It's a really good question. |
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It's pretty pretty. |
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Hard to talk about what's. |
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Going to. |
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Happen next week. |
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Right. |
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That's because. |
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It doesn't make. |
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Sense to. |
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Keep people from actually able to pick up the phone |
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call for a living. |
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Record the next. |
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It's hard to record the next question. |
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I found it on the floor of someone to drop |
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it so we can hand it. |
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To the psychology man office or. |
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The main. |
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Office. |
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That's the most likely outcome. |
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Of that discussion. |
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Yeah, I could just make an announcement. |
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I mean. |
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Although if anybody's lost a phone, we found a mobile |
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phone. |
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Here, We'll put it in the reception's. |
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If anybody is walking out and somebody is running back. |
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That phone will be in the reception for the building. |
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I mean. |
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Maybe not so lucky for people who. |
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Would. |
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Like. |
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To see. |
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Different things. |
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I do. |
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Think. |
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That it's tricky because it's the only way for people |
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to think that. |
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That's pretty cool. |
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I think. |
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That's absolutely. |
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Great. |
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School teaching is not acceptable. |
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I think things like that. |
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Very nice to talk to you for a few hours |
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because sometimes it's a part of the whole. |
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I want to get some stuff because I don't care |
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about 15 minutes per 100,000 people. |
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Because. |
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People trying to get me to actually try to keep |
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something that's interesting because I'm focusing. |
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On you to. |
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Come to. |
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You. |
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Normally you have to start. |
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To. |
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Some of. |
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These private firms to pick these people. |
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You can. |
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Make more people want. |
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To let go. |
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Why not? |
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Well, that's. |
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How. |
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It lots of things. |
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You can. |
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Do about that perspective. |
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Because unfortunately, it's impossible to get people to look at. |
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What's going on here. |
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Yeah, we get really we. |
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Get feedback to people about the course of events, just |
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everything updates and you can put that in as a |
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feedback you'd like. |
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Stephen That's what I'd like to say. |
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A lot of. |
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Students don't want to understand that either, but apparently the |
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feedback from. |
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Feedback. |
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That might. |
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Be difficult. |
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For the general nominee is that people get a quick |
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look at time frames when this happens, but that's a. |
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Time that it's. |
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One that might be that may be the case, but |
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that it's actually you can see back into the things |
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that we can use that to say, Hey, you look |
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like you want me to do videos, basically, but. |
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You don't have. |
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To do it. |
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Some of it might take these guys. |
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Yeah, except this is six years of research. |
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That's some of. |
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The material, but not what you want to do to |
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make. |
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This work. |
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Yeah, it's not. |
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Material. |
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Why didn't I get a first. |
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Bite of this? |
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And I didn't say that. |
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That's the problem. |
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It's kind of really happened since, Mr. President. |
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So I said, Well, I originally said that any on |
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the day would have been. |
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The school. |
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But she's not accepting. |
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What's been happening in Iraq. |
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And the way you. |
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Might. |
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Have noticed. |
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The really useful question. |
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It's good to get feedback about how you doing things |
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differently, doing something right. |
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Yeah. |
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Yeah, I know. |
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I'm just I'm just hoping that by pinpointing very quickly |
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that these kind of theories, we do. |
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Have a lot of people out there who might be |
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eager. |
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To meet with individuals, something to discuss how to give |
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some solutions. |
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Access We really hate that. |
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It's the men's lives work, stuff like that. |
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Yeah, I just. |
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That because we're not going to make it. |
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But, you know, I think that there is not much |
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concern about this because the problem. |